Urology diagnosed BPH and operated with TURP recently following which shifted to us with PUO and yesterday went into hypotension with BP falling to 60/40 but has picked up now with iv nor adrenaline and the patient is sitting up in bed as in the DP and sharing his story with me.
His urinary culture has shown something interesting on which I would like to have a comment from your LLM @PPM3
And before that
[5.30 pm, 10/12/2025] PPM 4: Majority of our departmental workflow would be on WhatsApp group both open source (main group with you) and closed group (unit specific) along with pajr group. So there would be 3 layered filtration and scrutiny of medical record which was fine tuned and presented in 2-4 pm seminar hall as a part of daily academics with seniors, juniors and interns. I agree there was some dyscorrelation happened in few cases due to lack of involvement of some interns in daily workflow, PGs exhaustion in academic and non academic works but 3 tier system including @PPM1, seniors like @PPM2 and PG residents helped to tailor the tentative discharge summaries earlier.
Few interns were equipped and adapted to digital copy paste of summaries with improvisation based on daily progression of patient in hospital events, other simply copy pasted the messages in group sir.
It’s PG residents duty to cross check and dispatch.
[7:27 pm, 10/12/2025] PPM 1: @PPM3 @Meta AI how common is it to have e coli urine culture in vitro resistance to meropenem and most other drugs but sensitivity to nitrofurantoin and fosfomycin? Please share studies that have reported similar resistance patterns with perplexity styled urls
[7:27 pm, 10/12/2025] Meta AI: E. coli urine culture resistance to meropenem and other drugs, but sensitivity to nitrofurantoin and fosfomycin, is relatively common in multidrug-resistant (MDR) strains.
Studies have reported:
- High susceptibility to fosfomycin (99.25%) and nitrofurantoin (97%) among ESBL-producing E. coli isolates
- Low resistance rates to fosfomycin (0.97%) and nitrofurantoin (10.58%) in E. coli isolates
- Fosfomycin and nitrofurantoin are effective against MDR E. coli, including carbapenem-resistant strains¹ ² ³
Some relevant studies:
- "Efficacy of Fosfomycin against Extended Spectrum Beta-Lactamase-Producing Escherichia coli Isolated from Patient Urinary Cultures" ((link unavailable))
- "Fosfomycin versus meropenem in bacteraemic urinary tract infections caused by extended-spectrum -lactamase-producing Escherichia coli" ((link unavailable))
- "Evaluation of In-vitro Susceptibility of Multidrug-Resistant Urinary Escherichia Coli Isolates to Fosfomycin" ((link unavailable))
[7:30 pm, 10/12/2025] PPM 1: @Meta AI all the ones that you linked are about fosfomycin sensitivity in meropenem or carbapenem resistance which I agree is well known and perhaps I should have framed the question differently. How common is nitrofurantoin sensitivity in carbpenem resistance?
[7:30 pm, 10/12/2025] Meta AI: Nitrofurantoin sensitivity in carbapenem-resistant E. coli is relatively common, with studies reporting:
- 84-90% susceptibility in carbapenem-resistant E. coli isolates
- 56% susceptibility in one study of carbapenem-resistant Enterobacteriaceae
- 37-75% susceptibility in different studies¹ ² ³
In contrast, carbapenem-resistant Klebsiella pneumoniae showed lower susceptibility rates (24-44%).
[7:30 pm, 10/12/2025] PPM 1: @Meta AI I guess you have reached your limit of being just able to answer one question for the day?
[7:30 pm, 10/12/2025] Meta AI: lol, nope π. I'm good to go! Fire away! Was there something specific you wanted to know or discuss about nitrofurantoin sensitivity in carbapenem-resistant E. coli?
[7:32 pm, 10/12/2025] PPM 1: @Meta AI yes share some URL reports from the literature around similar nitrofurantoin sensitivity in the presence of carbapenem resistance
[7:32 pm, 10/12/2025] Meta AI: Nitrofurantoin sensitivity in carbapenem-resistant E. coli is reported in several studies:
- 84-90% susceptibility in carbapenem-resistant E. coli isolates
- 56% susceptibility in one study of carbapenem-resistant Enterobacteriaceae
- 37-75% susceptibility in different studies
Some relevant studies:
- Susceptibility profile, resistance mechanisms & efficacy ratios of fosfomycin, nitrofurantoin & colistin for carbapenem-resistant Enterobacteriaceae causing urinary tract infections ((link unavailable))
- Nitrofurantoin resistance mechanism and fitness cost in Escherichia coli ((link unavailable))
- Global prevalence of nitrofurantoin-resistant uropathogenic Escherichia coli (UPEC) in humans: a systematic review and meta-analysis ((link unavailable))¹ ² ³
[7:41 pm, 10/12/2025] PPM 1: @Meta AI thanks.
The first paper link from CMC Vellore was very useful ππ
Take away:
"Among E. coli, 98.9, 56 and 95 per cent isolates (of carbapenem resistant e coli) were susceptible to fosfomycin, nitrofurantoin and colistin, respectively.
[7:41 pm, 10/12/2025] Meta AI: π Great summary! Yeah, that study from CMC Vellore provides valuable insights into the susceptibility patterns of carbapenem-resistant E. coli. The high susceptibility to fosfomycin (98.9%) and colistin (95%) is expected, but the 56% susceptibility to nitrofurantoin is notable, considering it's an older antibiotic.
Given the increasing resistance to newer antibiotics, it's encouraging to see older drugs like nitrofurantoin and fosfomycin still holding up against MDR E. coli.
Do you think this data might influence empirical treatment choices for UTIs caused by carbapenem-resistant E. coli in certain settings?
[10:29 pm, 10/12/2025] PPM 3: The resistance pattern you described—where E. coli is resistant to meropenem (a carbapenem) and most other drugs but remains susceptible to nitrofurantoin and fosfomycin—is *not uncommon*, especially among carbapenem-resistant (CR) and extended-spectrum Ξ²-lactamase (ESBL)-producing isolates. This occurs because these older urinary antiseptics have distinct mechanisms of action that are often unaffected by the common resistance mechanisms that confer resistance to Ξ²-lactams, fluoroquinolones, and aminoglycosides.
Below is a summary of key studies that report this specific susceptibility profile in urine cultures:
| Source | Year | Key Findings (Relevant to Your Question) |
|--------|------|------------------------------------------|
| *Prevalence and genomic insights of carbapenem‑resistant and ESBL‑producing MDR *E. coli in urinary tract infections** (Scientific Reports) | 2025 | Among 1,254 E. coli isolates, phenotypic resistance to *ertapenem* (a carbapenem) was 7.18%, while resistance to *fosfomycin* was only *2.23%* and to *nitrofurantoin* only *3.59%*[reference:0][reference:1]. This shows that even among carbapenem‑resistant strains, fosfomycin and nitrofurantoin remain active in the vast majority of cases. |
| *Susceptibility profile, resistance mechanisms & efficacy ratios of fosfomycin, nitrofurantoin & colistin for carbapenem‑resistant Enterobacteriaceae causing UTIs* (Amladi et al.) | 2019 | In carbapenem‑resistant E. coli urine isolates, *98.9%* were susceptible to *fosfomycin, **56%* to *nitrofurantoin, and 95% to colistin[reference:2]. The study concludes that fosfomycin is the drug of choice for CR *E. coli UTIs, followed by colistin. |
| *Susceptibility to Fosfomycin and Nitrofurantoin of ESBL‑Positive *E. coli Isolated From Urine of Pediatric Patients** (Park et al.) | 2023 | Among 108 ESBL‑positive E. coli urine isolates, *97.2%* were susceptible to *fosfomycin* and *96.3%* to *nitrofurantoin[reference:3]. Although this study focused on ESBL‑producing (not necessarily carbapenem‑resistant) isolates, it illustrates the high retained activity of both drugs against multidrug‑resistant *E. coli. |
| *Susceptibility Profile of Nitrofurantoin and Fosfomycin among Carbapenem‑resistant Enterobacteriaceae Isolates in UTI from a Tertiary Care Hospital* | 2023 | Among carbapenem‑resistant E. coli isolates, fosfomycin susceptibility rates were high (MICs *0.5–1 mg/L), while nitrofurantoin showed more variable results: only **21%* of isolates had low MICs (1–4 Β΅g/mL), with many falling into the intermediate or resistant categories[reference:4][reference:5]. This highlights that fosfomycin is consistently active, whereas nitrofurantoin susceptibility may be lower in some CRE populations. |
In summary, while meropenem resistance in E. coli urine isolates is a serious concern, the *co‑susceptibility to nitrofurantoin and fosfomycin is a frequent and clinically important pattern. This makes these oral agents valuable alternatives for treating uncomplicated UTIs caused by multidrug‑resistant *E. coli. However, local susceptibility patterns can vary, and *routine susceptibility testing* for both drugs is recommended when facing carbapenem‑resistant isolates.
[10:32 pm, 10/12/2025] PPM 1: With this patient's renal failure , would it be advisable to start him on Nitrofurantoin? Is any renal dose modification possible for it?
[10:35 pm, 10/12/2025] PPM 3: Based on the laboratory data provided, *it is strongly advised NOT to start this patient on Nitrofurantoin.*
The patient is in *significant and worsening renal failure, making Nitrofurantoin both **ineffective and dangerously toxic* in this context. Here is the breakdown:
### 1. Assessment of Renal Function
The key indicator is the *serum creatinine*:
* *6/12/25:* 8.60 mg/dL (Severely elevated)
* *10/12/25:* 2.80 mg/dL (Still markedly elevated)
Even with the downward trend (which may indicate some improvement or the effect of dialysis), a creatinine of 2.80 mg/dL corresponds to an estimated Glomerular Filtration Rate (eGFR) of *well below 30 mL/min, placing the patient in **Stage 4 or 5 Chronic Kidney Disease (CKD)* or severe acute kidney injury.
###### 2. Why Nitrofurantoin is Contraindicated
* *Mechanism & Excretion:* Nitrofurantoin is concentrated in the urine to be effective. In renal failure, it is *not adequately excreted* into the urinary tract, leading to *subtherapeutic levels at the site of infection*.
* *Accumulation & Toxicity:* The drug accumulates in the blood, significantly increasing the risk of severe adverse effects, including:
* *Peripheral Neuropathy:* Often irreversible.
* *Hepatotoxicity.*
* *Pulmonary Reactions* (interstitial pneumonitis/fibrosis).
* *Standard Contraindication:* All major guidelines (IDSA, FDA labeling) *contraindicate the use of nitrofurantoin when the creatinine clearance (CrCl) is < 30 mL/min* (some sources use a cutoff of < 60 mL/min for efficacy concerns). *This patient is well below that threshold.*
### 3. Is Renal Dose Modification Possible?
*No.* Unlike many antibiotics, nitrofurantoin *cannot be dose-adjusted for renal failure. The problem is not just systemic toxicity but **loss of efficacy*, as its action depends on urinary concentration. A lower dose would fail to achieve therapeutic levels in the urine while still risking systemic toxicity.
### 4. Recommended Alternative
Given the discussed resistance pattern (E. coli sensitive to fosfomycin) and this patient's renal status:
* *Fosfomycin trometamol* is an *excellent and guideline-recommended oral alternative*.
* It achieves high urinary concentrations with a *single 3g dose*.
* It is *generally safe in renal impairment* (though caution is advised in severe impairment, it is not contraindicated like nitrofurantoin). Dose adjustment is not typically required.
* Its unique mechanism makes it a reliable choice for multidrug-resistant, carbapenem-resistant E. coli UTIs.
### Conclusion & Strong Recommendation
*Do not administer nitrofurantoin to this patient.* Its use would be ineffective for treating a urinary tract infection and carries a high risk of causing severe, potentially irreversible neurological or pulmonary damage.
*The appropriate agent, based on the resistance pattern and renal function, is Fosfomycin.* Furthermore, given the complexity of this case (sepsis signs with high TLC, significant renal failure, anemia), management should ideally involve or be discussed with *Infectious Diseases and Nephrology specialists*.
*Disclaimer:* This analysis is based on the provided data. All treatment decisions must be made by the treating physician with full clinical context.
[11.17pm, 10/12/2025] PPM 1:π
[4.57 pm, 12/12/2025] PPM 1: Update yesterday:
Fever, Hypotension improved, inotropes withdrawn and discharged
[5.02 pm, 12/12/2025] PPM 1: EMR summary from last admission and @PPM4 @PPM5 @PPM2 highlighting the intern copy pasted notes from some other EMR causing confusion with this patient's EMR as confirmed by the others involved in this patient's management:
DEPARTMENT OF UROLOGY
Pay Type: Credit (AROGYA SREE)
Age/Gender: 75 Years/Male
Address:
Discharge Type: Relieved
Admission Date: 20/11/2025 03:02 PM
Discharge Date: 27/11/2025 12:06 PM
Diagnosis
BENIGN PROSTATIC HYPERPLASIA
Case History and Clinical Findings
C/O - POOR STREAM SINCE 1 AND HALF MONTH
NO LOIN PAIN
DYSURIA +
NO HGPT
STREAM GOOD, NO LUTS
DM+, HTN +
NO PREVIOUS SURGERIES H/O PELURAL TAP
PATIENT IN RAPILIF D FOR 1 MONTH
PAST H/O - H/O PLEURAL TAP
PERSONAL HISTORY:
MARRIED, APPETITE: NORMAL, MIXED DIET, REGULAR BOWEL AND BLADDER
MOVEMENTS, NO KNOWN ALLERGIES
FAMILY HISTORY: NOT SIGNIFICANT
GENERAL EXAMINATION:
NO PALLOR, CYANOSIS, ICTERUS, CLUBBING OF FINGERS, LYMPHADENOPATHY, OEDEMA, MALNUTRITION AND DEHYDRATION
VITALS: TEMPERATURE AFEBRILE
PULSE:88BPM
RR:16 CPM
BP:130/80 MMHG
SPO2:99%
CVS: S1S2 HEARD
RS: NORMAL
CNS: NORMAL
PULMOLOGY REFERRAL I/V/O FITNESS: RX: CONTINUE SAME TREATMENT,
SYP ASCORIL LS 10ML/PO/TTID
NEPHROLOGY REFERRAL I/V/O RAISED RFT AND PEDAL EDEMA: RX: TAB NODOSIS 500MG PO/BD, SALT RESTRICTION DIET
CARDIOLOGY REFERRAL I/V/O FITNESS: CAN UNDERGO PROCEDURE.
GM REFERRAL I/V/O FITNESS: RX: SYP CITRAIKA PO/TID IN GLASS OF WATER
Investigation
HEPATITIS- B SURFACE ANTIGEN (HBSAg) RAPID TEST- Negative ANTI HCV ANTIBODIES
(Rapid Test) RAPID- Non Reactive; HIV 1&2 RAPID TEST - NON REACTIVE
COMPLETE BLOOD PICTURE (CBP)HAEMOGLOBIN - 10.6gm/dl TOTAL COUNT- 4400cells/cumm RBC-3.62
PCV-30.4
PLATELET COUNT-1.3
RFT -
UREA - 68 mg/dl CREATININE - 2.60 mg/dl URIC ACID - 5.10mG/DL SODIUM - 137
mmol/L POTASSIUM - 4.4 mmol/L.CHLORIDE - 104mmol/L
LIVER FUNCTION TEST (LFT)
Total Bilurubin - 0.82mg/DL
Direct Bilurubin - 0.20mg/dl
SGOT (AST) - 19IU/L SGPT(ALT) - 16IU/L ALKALINE PHOSPHATASE - 790IU/L
COMPLETE URINE EXAMINATION (CUE) -
COLOUR - Pale yellow APPEARANCE - Clear REACTION -Acidic SP.GRAVITY - 1.0100 ALBUMIN -Nil SUGAR - Nil BILE SALTS - NILLBILE PIGMENTS -NILL
PUS CELLS - 5-6EPITHELIAL CELLS - 3-4RED BLOOD CELLS - 10-15CRYSTALS - Nil CASTS -
Nil AMORPHOUS DEPOSITS - Absent
FASTING BLOOD SUGAR - 81 PPBS; RBS - 99
APTT-31, BT-2.00, CT-4.3O, PT-15, INR-1.11
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BLOOD GROUPING: 'O' RH TYPING: POSITIVE
2D ECHO: CONCLUSION: MILD AR+, NO MR/PR, TRIVIAL TR+, NO PH
MILD LVH +, NO RWMA, NO AS/MS
GOOD LV SYSTOLIC NO LV CLOTSGRADE 1 DIASTOLIC DYSFUNCTION; NO PE
USG KUB IMPRESSION: GRADE III PROSTATOMEGALY, IRREGULAR URINARY BLADDER
WALL THICKNESS + -CYSTITIS, B/L MILD HYDROURETERONEPHROSIS, SIGNIFICANT PVR
Treatment Given (Enter only Generic Name)
OT NOTES:
TURP UNDER SA
UNDER SAP UNDER SA PATIENT POSITIONED IN LITHOTOMY WITH 17Fr CYSTOSCOPY
VISUALISED THE G-III PROSTATE WITH MEDIAN LOBE HYPERTROPHY. WITH TURP SET
VISUALISED PROSTATE RESECTION DONE AND CLIPS ARE REMOVED WITH ELIX.
IRRIGATION CONTINUE IMMEDIATE POST-OP UNEVENTFUL.
1. LIQUID DIET
2. IV FLUIDS @ 80ML
3. INJ MAGNEX 1.5 GM / IV / BD
4 . INJ PAN 40 MG / IV / OD
5. INJ PCM 1GM / IV /TID
6. INJ TRAMADOL 100 MG / IV /SOS
7. INJ ONDANSETRON 4MG / IV / SOS
8. T METFORMIN 500MG PO/PD
Advice at Discharge
T. TAXIM 200MG PO/BD
T PAN 40 MG PO/OD
T PCM 650 MG PO/TID
T. METFORMIN 500MG PO/OD
T. TELMISARTAN 40MG PO/OD
T MVT PO/OD
SYP UTI FYTE 15ML PO/BD
Follow Up
IN CASE OF ANY EMERGENCY IMMEDIATELY CONTACT YOUR CONSULTANT DOCTOR OR ATTEND EMERGENCY DEPARTMENT.
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When to Obtain Urgent Care
AVOID SELF MEDICATION WITHOUT DOCTORS ADVICE, DONOT MISS MEDICATIONS. In case of Emergency or to speak to your treating FACULTY or For Appointments, Please Contact:
For Treatment Enquiries Patient/Attendant Declaration: - The medicines prescribed
and the advice regarding preventive aspects of care, when and how to obtain urgent care have been
explained to me in my own language
SIGNATURE OF PATIENT /ATTENDER
SIGNATURE OF PG/INTERNEE
SIGNATURE OF ADMINISTRATOR
SIGNATURE OF FACULTY
Discharge Date
Date:1/12/25
Ward: UROLOGY
[5.04 pm, 12/12/2025] PPM 1: EMR summary after yesterday's discharge:
DEPARTMENT OF GENERAL-MEDICINE
Age/Gender: 75 Years/Male
Address:
Discharge Type: Relieved
Admission Date: 06/12/2025 05:06 PM
Discharge Date: 08/12/2025 09:49 AM
Diagnosis
SEPTIC SHOCK (RESOLVED) SECONDARY UTI,? LEFT UPPER LOBE CAP
AKI ON CKD SECONDARY TO OBSTRUCTIVE UROPATHY
STRICTURE URETHRA, S/P VIU (1 WEEK AGO)
COPD/HYPERKALEMIA(RESOLVED)
K/C/O TYPE 2 DM, HTN
S/P 1 PINT PRBC TRANSFUSION (10-12-25)
Case History and Clinical Findings
C/O GENERALISED WEAKNESS SINCE 3 DAYS
HOPI: PATIENT WAS APPARENTLY ASYMPTOMATIC 3 DAYS BACK THEN PRESENTED WITH GENERALISED WEAKNESS INSIDIOUS IN ONSET GRADUALLY PROGRESSIVE
H/O LOSS OF APPETITE SINCE 3 DAYS
H/O ABDOMINAL PAIN (DIFFUSE) SQUEEZING TYPE
H/O FEVER. NO H/O NAUSEA, VOMITINGS. NO H/O INVOLUNTARY MOVEMENTS OF LIMB. NO H/O CHEST PAIN, PND, ORTHOPNEA, COUGH
PAST HISTORY: K/C/O T2DM SINCE 6 YEARS
K/C/O HTN SINCE 6 YEARS
PERSONAL HISTORY:
MARRIED, APPETITE LOST, MIXED DIET, IRREGULAR BOWEL AND FOLEY
CATHETERISATION INSITU, ADDICTIONS-REGULAR ALOCOHOLIC AND TOBACCO SMOKING,
NO KNOWN ALLERGIES
GENERAL EXAMINATION:
VITALS: TEMPERATURE: AFEBRILE, PR-120BPM, RR-19CPM, BP-100/60MMHG, GRBS-
376MG/DL
NO PALLOR, NO CYANOSIS, NO ICTERUS, NO CLUBBING OF FINGERS, NO
LYMPHADENOPATHY, NO PEDAL OEDEMA, NO MALNUTRITION, NO DEHYDRATION;
SYSTEMIC EXAMINATION:CVS-S1, S2 HEARD NO MURMURS, RS: - BAE+, CNS-NFND,
ABDOMEN-SOFT, NON TENDER, NO ORGANOMEGALY
OPHTHALMOLOGY REFFERAL WAS DONE ON 7/12/25 I/V/O FUNDOSCOPIC DIABETIC
RETINOPATHYIC CHANGES
IMPRESSION: NORMAL FUNDUS, DIABETIC RETINOPATHY CHANGES PRESENT
UROLOGY REFERRAL WAS DONE ON 8/12/25 I/V/O Ultrasound ABDOMEN SHOWING MILD
HYDROURETERO NEPHROSIS
Investigation
HEMOGRAM (6-12-25) HB -10.4, PCV 34.1, TLC-17100, RBC-3.82, PT-3.7(7-12-25) HB-9.9, PCV-
31.5, TLC-15700, RBC-3.6, PT-3.6
(9-12-25) HB-7.8, PCV-23.9, TLC-13200, RBC-2.8, PT-3.0 (10-12-25) HB-7.4, PCV-21.8, TLC-
33650, RBC-2.6, PT-2.8
(11-12-25) HB-8.8, PCV-25.4, TLC-28100, RBC-3.0, PT-2.6 (12-12-25) HB-8.5, PCV-26.2, TLC-
21400, RBC-3.1, PT-2.9
RBS-330; HBA1C-7.5%
CUE (7-12-25): ALB+++, SUGAR++, PUS CELLS 4-5, EPI CELLS 3-4, RBC 9-10 (9-12-25):
ALB++, SUGAR-NIL, PUS CELLS-PLENTY, EPI CELLS 1-2, RBC 1-2
RFT (6-12-25) Urea-62mg/dl, Cr-2.60mg/dl, Na-132mmol/L, K-5.6mmol/L, Cl-99mmol/L
RFT (7-12-25) Urea-67.20mg/dl, Cr-2.40mg/dl, Na-135mmol/L, K-4.9mmol/L, Cl-99mmol/L
RFT (8-12-25) Urea-69mg/dl, Cr-2.60mg/dl, Na-136mmol/L, K-4.7mmol/L, Cl-98mmol/L
RFT (9-12-25) Urea-70mg/dl, Cr-2.40mg/dl, Na-136mmol/L,K-4.5mmol/L,Cl-99mmol/L
RFT (10-12-25) Urea-81mg/dl, Cr-2.80mg/dl, Na-137mmol/L, K-4.3mmol/L, Cl-97mmol/L
LFT (6-12-2025) TB-0.71, DB-0.19, SGOT-18, SGPT -17, ALP-711, TP-6.8, ALB-3.8, GLOB-3.00, A/G -1.27
ABG (6-12-2025) PH:7.268 PCO2:30.8 PO2:103 HCO3:14.7 (7-12-2025) PH:7.268 PCO2:33.5
PO2:33 HCO3:14.8
(10-12-2025) PH:7.241 PCO2:34.3 PO2:53.2 HCO3:14.2
(7/12/25) SERUM CALCIUM - 1.04; SERUM OSMOLARITY - 299.10
UPCR (7-12-2025): URINARY Na-198 URINARY K-63 URINARY Cl-132
URINE CULTURE & SENSITIVITY (8-12-25): PLENTY OF PUS CELLS SEEN.E COLI COLONY
COUNT-10^5 CFU/ML SENSITIVE ONLY TO NITROFURANTOIN AND FOSFOMYCINE
BLOOD LACTATE (10-12-25): 14.2MG/DL
USG WAS DONE ON 6-12-25 IMPRESSION: B/L MILD HYDROURETERO NEPHROSIS, GRADE II PROSTATOMEGALY
2D ECHO (9-12-25): TRIVIAL MR+, MILD TR+ WITH PAH(EF=60%). NO RWMA, MILD LVH+, NO AS/MS, NO LV CLOT. GOOD LV SYSTOLIC FUNCTION. GRADE I DIASTOLIC DYSFUNCTION+, NO PE
Treatment Given (Enter only Generic Name)
1. STRICT DIABETIC DIET
2. IV FLUIDS NS AT 50ML/HR
3. INJ MONOCEF 2GM IV/STAT FOR 3DAYS
4. INJ VANCOMYCIN 1GM IV/BD F/B1GM IV/ODFOR 3DAYS
5. TAB TELMA 40MG PO/OD
6. TAB AMLODIPINE 10MG PO/OD
7. INJ PAN 40MG IV/OD
8. INJ NEOMOL 1GM IV/SOS
9. NORAD 2AMP IN 50ML NS AT 2ML/HR FOR 1.5DAYS
10. INJ HAI S/C
11. TAB DOLO 650MG PO/SOS
12. INJ PCM 1GM IV/STAT
13. FOSFOMYCIN 1 SACHET IN 1 GLASS OF WATER ON ALTERNATE DAYS
14. NEB DUOLIN 6TH HRLY, BUDECORT 8TH HRLY
Advice at Discharge
1. FOSFOMYCIN 1 SACHET(3GMS) IN 1 GLASS OF WATER ON ALTERNATE DAYS FOR 3
WEEKS
2. CINOD 10MG PO/OD FOR 2 WEEKS
3.INJ HAI S/C TID 8UNITS--8UNITS--8UNITS
4.TAB DOLO 650MG PO/SOS
5. TAB MVT PO/OD
6. STRICT DIABETIC DIET
Follow Up
REVIEW TO GM OPD AFTER 1 WEEK/SOS
When to Obtain Urgent Care
IN CASE OF ANY EMERGENCY IMMEDIATELY CONTACT YOUR CONSULTANT DOCTOR OR
ATTEND EMERGENCY DEPARTMENT.
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Preventive Care
AVOID SELF MEDICATION WITHOUT DOCTORS ADVICE, DONOT MISS MEDICATIONS. In case of Emergency or to speak to your treating FACULTY or For Appointments, Please Contact:
For Treatment Enquiries Patient/Attendant Declaration: - The medicines prescribed
and the advice regarding preventive aspects of care, when and how to obtain urgent care have been
explained to me in my own language
SIGNATURE OF PATIENT /ATTENDER
SIGNATURE OF PG/INTERNEE
SIGNATURE OF ADMINISTRATOR
SIGNATURE OF FACULTY
Discharge Date
Date:12-12-25 Ward: MMW Unit:II
[5:05 pm, 12/12/2025] PPM 2: Discharged with just Actrapid?
[5:08 pm, 12/12/2025] PPM 5: Yes sir, his requirement while in hospital were in that range itself
[6:11 pm, 12/12/2025] PPM 2: Okay. Why not a premix insulin?
[6:20 pm, 12/12/2025] PPM 5: We usually prefer premix insulin when requirement of actrapid is too high sir (when blood glucose levels are not controlled with regular, we go for intermediate)
[6:21 pm, 12/12/2025] PPM 2: Okay. Don't you think some form of basal insulin would be required?
[6:24 pm, 12/12/2025] PPM 5: Logically yes sir, but I was taught and we practice like this
1. Start with bolus insulin that is actrapid.
If premeal blood sugars are not controlled
2. Add intermediate acting that is nph
[6:27 pm, 12/12/2025] PPM 5: I have never prescribed
1. Rapid
2. long acting
3. ultra long acting insulins
I only learnt to manage only with short acting and intermediate
Sir
[6:27 pm, 12/12/2025] PPM 5: Also these are not available here in our hospital at low cost
[6:28 pm, 12/12/2025] PPM 2: Interesting. I think a commoner global practice is to prescribe either a premix or a once daily long acting along with oral meds.
[6:29 pm, 12/12/2025] PPM 5: We do prescribe premix when we get an idea of how much hai and nph the pt is requiring sir
[6:29 pm, 12/12/2025] PPM 2: I see. Was cost the only reason not to prescribe these?
[6:29 pm, 12/12/2025] PPM 5: And availability sir
[6:30 pm, 12/12/2025] PPM 2: A general operating principle is to calculate a total daily dose at 0.5 x body weight or 0.2x body weight for long/intermediate acting alone.
[6:31 pm, 12/12/2025] PPM 2: The market operates on supply demand. If doctors generate demand, the supply will match within a day.
[6:31 pm, 12/12/2025] PPM 5: Yes sir
[6:32 pm, 12/12/2025] PPM 5: Will try talking to pharmacist or administrative dept sir
[6:34 pm, 12/12/2025] PPM 2: Hope patient has been made aware of hypo awareness and how to recognise one. And how to manage one
[6:34 pm, 12/12/2025] PPM 5: Yes sir, counselled them
