[24-04-2025 08:21] PPM 1: Thanks for these amazing changes documented in this MRI for those of us who have seen her previous MRIs shared in the group yesterday! @PPM 4 try to also share this with PPM 3
[24-04-2025 16:06] PPM 2: What is the likely trigger for ADEM in this case here?
[24-04-2025 16:07] PPM 2: Any pulse dosing of steroids being considered?
[24-04-2025 16:12] PPM 4: Sir, she had a viral infection at 9 months of age which we’re suspecting is the start of her ADEM.
[24-04-2025 16:13] PPM 2: And when did her symptoms start?
[24-04-2025 16:21] PPM 4: She had an episode of febrile seizure during this period, sir. After that, she was fine until 2023, which was when she developed some cerebellar signs and bilateral decreased vision.
[24-04-2025 16:22] PPM 4: Her treating doctor gave her a course of IV steroids to which she had responded quite well sir
[24-04-2025 16:22] PPM 2: And why are we attributing it to the infection at age 9 months?
[24-04-2025 16:22] PPM 2: You mean when these symptoms started?
[24-04-2025 16:25] PPM 4: I think it might have been the inciting event that had set off the ADEM, sir, because her attender didn’t give any other serious illness history up until then
[24-04-2025 16:25] PPM 4: Yes sir, in 2023. Her mother said that her symptoms had improved by around 90 percent owing to the medication back then. However, she hasn’t received any more steroids since.
[24-04-2025 16:26] PPM 2: I think if you start off with a label of ADEM and then look for a history, you may not find much.
But what if this is the first event and the previous event and this are not connected?
[24-04-2025 16:28] PPM 4: Oh, could be, sir.
[24-04-2025 16:28] PPM 2: Let's hope we can solve this - let's get started with her daily activities and food plates
[24-04-2025 16:30] PPM 4: Okay sir. I’ve asked her attender to share her activities here.
[24-04-2025 16:32] PPM 4: Sir, I tried calling the number from the discharge summary, but it was someone else that picked up, looks like her number changed.
[24-04-2025 16:37] PPM 1: Oh! Perhaps we can try looking up that hospital and the doctor in Google. It's in Nalgonda I guess?
[24-04-2025 16:38] PPM 4: Yes sir, I found her details online, I’ll try calling her again
[24-04-2025 16:41] PPM 1: This is the doctor? 👇
https://youtu.be/sIR7q_fjnRo?feature=shared
[24-04-2025 16:42] PPM 4: Yes sir, I think so.
I found a number for consultations; I’ll try calling that to get in touch with her.
[24-04-2025 17:28] PPM 4: Sir, I’ve spoken to her assistant, and she said she would get back as soon as she could.
[24-04-2025 17:44] PPM 4: I just spoke to Dr Sai Mounika ma’am, sir, and she wasn’t interested in joining the group. She suggested referring to a neurologist because the demyelinating disease has relapsed and would need aggressive treatment because they can progress very fast.
[24-04-2025 22:05] PPM 1: Alright. But I think we can do a better job of giving her the best evidence based treatment tailored to her resources that most other health professionals may not be trained to tailor. First step is to look for the best adjuvant with steroids in demyelination
[24-04-2025 22:06] PPM 1: @~PPM 3 who is the SR AP for her unit?
[24-04-2025 22:08] PPM 3: PPM 5 sir and PPM 6 ma'am sir
[24-04-2025 22:25] PPM 7: When tailoring adjuvant therapies for demyelinating diseases (e.g., MS, NMOSD, ADEM) alongside steroids, *evidence-based options* and *resource-sensitive strategies* should be prioritized. Below is a structured approach:
--- ### *1. First-Line Adjuvants (Strongest Evidence)*
*A. Plasmapheresis (PLEX/Plasma Exchange)*
- *Evidence*: Effective in steroid-resistant relapses (e.g., NMOSD, severe MS, ADEM). AAN guidelines recommend PLEX if steroids fail (Level B evidence).
- *Practical Use*:
- 5–7 sessions over 10–14 days.
- *Resource Considerations*: Requires apheresis units and specialist access. In low-resource settings, prioritize referral to tertiary centers or advocate for insurance coverage.
*B. IV Immunoglobulin (IVIG)*
- *Evidence*: Moderate efficacy in pediatric demyelination (e.g., ADEM) or contraindications to PLEX. Less robust than PLEX for MS/NMOSD.
- *Dosing*: 2 g/kg over 2–5 days.
- *Resource Considerations*: Expensive; may be limited in low-income settings. Consider split dosing or regional donation programs.
--- ### *2. Disease-Modifying Therapies (DMTs) for Long-Term Prevention*
Initiate early in relapsing MS to reduce future attacks. *Tailor to resources*:
- *High-Income Settings*: High-efficacy DMTs (ocrelizumab, natalizumab).
- *Low/Middle-Income Settings*:
- *Affordable DMTs*: Interferon-β, glatiramer acetate, teriflunomide.
- *Patient Assistance Programs*: Leverage pharmaceutical subsidies (e.g., MSIF Access Program).
--- ### *3. Symptomatic & Rehabilitation Adjuncts*
Often overlooked but critical for functional recovery:
- *Fatigue*: Modafinil (100–200 mg/day) or amantadine (cheaper but less effective).
- *Spasticity*: Baclofen, gabapentin, or home-based stretching programs.
- *Neurorehab*:
- *High-resource*: Intensive PT/OT with robotic/VR tools.
- *Low-resource*: Community-based group therapy or telerehab apps (e.g., PT-guided videos).
--- ### *4. Emerging/Niche Options (Evidence Varies)*
- *High-Dose Biotin*: For progressive MS (100–300 mg/day); mixed data.
- *Vitamin D Supplementation*: Aim for serum levels >40 ng/mL (low-cost, safe adjunct).
- *Repurposed Drugs*:
- *Metformin*: Neuroprotection in preclinical studies (trial data pending).
- *S1P Modulators* (e.g., siponimod): For active SPMS if accessible.
--- ### *5. Resource-Tailored Strategies*
- *Diagnostic Constraints*:
- If MRI is unavailable, use clinical criteria (e.g., McDonald 2017 for MS).
- Rule out mimics (e.g., vitamin B12 deficiency, HIV) with basic labs.
- *Telemedicine*: For remote monitoring of steroid side effects (e.g., hyperglycemia, psychosis).
- *Community Support*: Partner with NGOs for DMT access or transportation to PLEX centers.
--- ### *Key Considerations*
- *Condition-Specific Therapy*:
- *NMOSD*: Add rituximab/eculizumab (if accessible) for relapse prevention.
- *MOGAD*: IVIG or rituximab for recurrent attacks.
- *Steroid-Sparing*: Taper steroids early if adjuvants work to avoid long-term side effects (e.g., osteoporosis).
--- ### *Final Note*
Many clinicians underutilize *early PLEX* or *telerehab* due to training gaps. Tailor to the patient’s financial, geographic, and cultural context while advocating for equitable access to advanced therapies.
[24-04-2025 22:32] PPM 1: @~PPM 7 @PPM 8 please share your thoughts on the next action rx plan for this patient.
Do you recall this session around a similar patient presented by@~PPM9
https://youtu.be/ziGv0RI4Pu4?feature=shared
I wonder what's the follow up of that patient?
[24-04-2025 22:51] PPM 9: Good evening sir.
Yes sir, patient presented with complaints of giddiness and hemiparesis and visual disturbances
Imaging showed bilateral infarcts as far as I remember
She improved with steriods and azathioprine.
[24-04-2025 22:51] PPM 9: I lost their contact number sir
[24-04-2025 23:00] PPM 7: Planning for pulse methylpred sir. Meanwhile adviced for ANA also sir
We also did contrast MRI Brain with whole spine screen today evening sir.
https://youtu.be/S79RVHKoQ1o?si=dMFM7bLHwZ3l00BY
[25-04-2025 07:00] PPM 1: Thanks! It contains amazing saggital views in the very beginning showing the entire extent of the lesions in the brain stem and considering her dominant clinical cerebellar signs and relatively no gross cerebellar involvement in the MRI it's likely that the tracts are involved!
Yes let's start her on methyl pred asap taking care of potential complications and if necessary take a pediatrician consultation as well for the per kg dose and document it on file. @PPM 3please share our Neurologist notes and the notes of yesterday's psychometric assessment
[25-04-2025 07:02] PPM 1: Thanks for all your hard work on that patient which still remains one of the major milestones in our PG training program in CRH critical realist heutagogy
[25-04-2025 07:08] PPM 3: Neurology sir advised to rule out wilsons/sydenhams chorea by kf rings and 2d echo which turned out to be negative sir
He adviced for ana profile to rule out autoimmune causes
Started her on methyl pred 750mg sir acc to body weight as adviced by neurologist sir
[25-04-2025 07:09] PPM 3: As there are 3 distinct attacks with 3 different demyelinating lesions can we consider this as multiple sclerosis sir?
[25-04-2025 07:11] +91 95157 80288: According to McDonald's criteria 2017 more than or equal to 2 attacks with more than or equal to 2 lesions it can be taken as multiple sclerosis sir
[25-04-2025 07:12] PPM 1: Please share his notes here
[25-04-2025 07:14] PPM 1: Looks like childhood onset MS as Web 3.0 shared by Prof @PPM7 in the Narketpally syn group👇
*Final Diagnosis and Recommendations: *
*Diagnosis:*
- *Relapsing Demyelinating Disorder, most consistent with **MOG Antibody-Associated Disease (MOGAD)* or *Pediatric-Onset Multiple Sclerosis (MS)*.
- *Psychiatric Comorbidities*: Depression with suicidal behavior, likely multifactorial (secondary to chronic illness and/or organic brain involvement).
*Key Findings Supporting Diagnosis:*
1. *MRI Evidence*:
- T2/FLAIR hyperintensities in bilateral frontal/parietal white matter, external capsules, and cerebellar peduncles.
- Lesions suggest demyelination (metabolic vs. inflammatory). ADEM recovery noted, but relapses indicate a non-monophasic course.
2. *Clinical History*:
- Recurrent neurological episodes (2023 imbalance/squint, 2024 slurred speech/seizures).
- Partial response to IV methylprednisolone (IVMP).
- Psychiatric manifestations (self-harm, suicide attempts).
*Differential Considerations:*
- *MOGAD*: ADEM-like presentation with relapses, common in children.
- *MS*: Disseminated lesions in time/space, though less common in pediatric populations.
- *Autoimmune Encephalitis*: Neuropsychiatric symptoms, but MRI findings less typical.
*Investigations Recommended:*
1. *Serum Antibody Testing*: Anti-MOG and anti-AQP4 (to exclude neuromyelitis optica spectrum disorder).
2. *Lumbar Puncture*: CSF analysis for oligoclonal bands, IgG index, and inflammatory markers.
3. *Repeat MRI Brain/Spine*: Assess for new/enhancing lesions to confirm dissemination in time/space (McDonald criteria for MS).
4. *Psychiatric Evaluation*: Urgent assessment for suicidality and behavioral interventions.
5. *EEG*: Evaluate seizure activity given complex partial seizures.
*Management:*
- *Acute Relapse*: High-dose IVMP (1g/day for 3–5 days).
- *Long-term Immunotherapy*: If relapsing course confirmed (e.g., rituximab, IVIG, or disease-modifying therapies for MS).
- *Seizure Control*: Antiepileptic drugs (e.g., levetiracetam) guided by EEG.
- *Psychiatric Care*: Multidisciplinary approach with neurology, psychiatry, and psychology for behavioral and emotional support.
*Prognosis:*
- Early immunotherapy improves outcomes in relapsing demyelinating disorders.
- Psychiatric comorbidities require close monitoring to prevent further self-harm.
*Clinical Correlation:*
- Close follow-up with pediatric neurology and psychiatry is critical.
- Educate family on relapse recognition and emergency management.
---
*Dr. [Your Name]*
*Neurology Consultant*
[25-04-2025 07:16] PPM 1: Thanks. It will be important to archive all these in the PaJR case report here 👇
https://pajrcasereporter.blogspot.com/2025/04/13f-adem-cerebellar-ataxia.html?m=1
[25-04-2025 07:18] PPM 3: Psychiatry notes sir
[25-04-2025 07:21] PPM 1: Let's get her reviewed. Her fear of death and her past two attempts at suicide are quite concerning
[25-04-2025 07:30] PPM 10: I want to talk to her Sir
[25-04-2025 08:27] PPM 1: @PPM 4 can you talk to her mother and schedule an appointment for her to talk to @PPM 10 who is our major PaJR PNI contributor?
[25-04-2025 13:24] PPM 4: Yes sir. @PPM 10 sir, is there a particular time when you are free that I can inform the mother about?
[25-04-2025 13:36] PPM 10: I can talk to her at 1900 today
[25-04-2025 13:50] PPM 4: Okay sir, I spoke to her.
The patient will receive her methylprednisolone at around 8PM today itseems sir.
@PA is her advocate’s contact, I have shared your contact with her too sir.
[13-05-2025 16.26] PA:
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